掲示板 Forums - [Discussion] Better way to handle usage note validation

Another thought, and sorry if it means more work for you but I think it would be very helpful if there was an option to see the mnemonics for vocabulary as you learn the new words, kind of like when you learn new kanji you can see the mnemonics right away. That way you can get a better idea of what will help you remember the vocabulary before the quiz. They're super helpful for a lot of learners and I think it would be more beneficial to see a mnemonic before you get the new word wrong in the quiz instead of after. If it wouldn't be too much trouble I would love that option!

Ah, that becomes tiresome very quickly. A lot of them would be okay with a little work, but they’re so shoddy. Aren’t people embarrassed to have their usernames associated with stuff like this?

There were a few that I labeled not acceptable simply because I didn’t understand the reference and was afraid it might be 忌み言葉.

The process does get tiring after a while. But every time I react to one, I get another one. So, if I want to stop, I have to "leave it on read" which seems rude somehow. (As in, look at it, but not respond.)

Basically, I'm encouraged to keep going, but my motivation will lag as I go on, so the quality of my judgement will go down over time.

Perhaps it could offer them in batches of 3 or 5 and give you a little pat on the back somehow (maybe with a cute Kaochan image) if you finished the batch. It could also give you the opportunity to load another batch if you wanted, or you could stop there.

You can always open the dictionary to do more research on a term. Click the dictionary icon again when you’re done and it will take you right back to where you were again.

I'm going through the test site, and I wish there was a way to suggest small edits to some of these that I'm reviewing, like adding dictionary links to other words when the user didn't add them.

It's the weekend, so a few quick notes:
1. Keep in mind that this is a quick and rough interface so I could start collecting data and see what kind of consensus (or lack thereof) we're getting. I have no doubt that I'll add things to make it easier and more rewarding to use. Additionally, this is being set up on top of a huge backlog because of my recent illness. So if and when this gets going, there will not be that much of a backlog on any given set of days. At the moment, it probably does feel "endless"

2. Not planning on allowing community edits to other usage notes. That's simply too-big a can-of-worms to open with managing edits, trust, notifications on all of that, and a lot more.

3. I believe that the overwhelming majority of contributors are doing so with the intention to be helpful. Maybe they're 14 years old, or maybe they don't have the time or interest in putting as much time into them as others. That's *fine*, and is the freedom that renshuu was built around.

If anyone feels that it's ok to personally disparage contributors, your simply need not participate.

Alright, already the second one has an English typing mistake, should I rate that as unacceptable? Is there gonna be a comment field when i press that?

Well, 27 of 70 is not that bad for a start.

I believe giving the option for feedback in a dropdown menu would improve those numbers greatly.

Mostly I clicked unsure when I came across an mnemonic that explained the kanji of the word, that was grammatically/spelling wise problematic or that was not really a mnemonic in my opinion (like explaining the difference between なおる and なおす) but would be helpful under a different tag.

If I have to do a final check in the end, then the system itself has no value - making the decision itself takes almost no time, but reading the mnemonics and looking at the terms is where the time sink is. So I definitely am aiming for a system where I can spend my time on the non mnemonic notes, kanji mnemonics (although these are probably easier to validate), sentence notes, and eventually grammar ones.

What I'd like to do now is this: if we have a way to send comments back to the user, it'll need to be a selection from a fixed set of responses. I'd love some help in making a list of those.

A few that come to mind in the last few comments are this:

1. Wrong language

2. Wrong note type

3. Missing dictionary binding for words

What else? Keep in mind that these are for notes that are close enough to approval that it's worth sending it - I do not think we need to generate a response system for ones that are definitely getting rejected.

I don’t find those comment choices to be very clear. First, as a new user, I don’t know anything about dictionary binding. Based on previous comments, I’ve read on this thread, a lot of times new users provide a lot of good mnemonics. If that’s the case, probably a lot of them also have no idea about dictionary binding. So instructions would need to be included in the notification. I don’t like the use of “wrong” in the wording, because that’s going to discourage people from participating. Perhaps something like, “Please select a different note type.” But again, there’s going to need to be an explanatory key to teach new people what belongs in each category. Wrong language is too general. Is there a misspelling in the Japanese? A misspelling in the English? Did the user misread the pronunciation of the word? Does the wording just need to be clearer? I don’t know what “wrong language” people found when they completed the trial, but this sounds vague to me.