掲示板 Forums - Crowdsourcing Project: Sentence/Grammar Markup

Edit: it's now live! Go to Dashboard > Rearrange your Dashboard to add it.

Goal: have the community help with validating the automated grammar markings that appear in sentences. These markings will be used for two purposes:
1. Adding more model sentences to grammar expressions in the library
2. Making more questions available in the grammar quizzes.

What you (the helper) does
1. Choose a level and expression to work on. The numbers in parentheses are the number of unchecked sentences.
2. For each sentence that appears, choose the first grammar expression that fits it. Two options are available if you have any doubt, or do not think any of them are correct.
3. The system will automatically monitor everyone's submissions, then mark the correct one after a certain threshold has been crossed.


Notes
1. Some grammar expressions have many candidate sentences, some have few. This is OK.
2. When a grammar expression gets 20 validated entries, it will disappear (for now). The initial goal is 20 new model sentences for each expression.
3. Many sentences will just have a single expression choice, so it's basically a "Is this right?". Others (like particles) will have many.
4. The system will periodically refill candidate sentences for an expression until the 20 validations are reached.
5. Only sentences that have been native-speaker verified will appear, ordered by audio presence and ease of sentence content.

Future plans
1. Like the word/sentence tagger, I will send out monthly reports on how you did.
2. Some expressions are present in the library, but the grammar labeling system does a bad job of finding them. I do plan later to add a "hunt" mode where you can find a sentence in renshuu that you think fits the expression, and put it up for consideration.
3. Later on, I will add the ability to include this on the quiz finish page, focusing on grammar that you just studied.
4. I will also add another layer so I can get help with coloring the relevant English in the sentence (as it is highlighted in the model sentences in the library).


Please report any thoughts or bugs here!

You have I don’t know in one place and I’m not sure in the other.

N3, N2, and N1 all have a few entries at the bottom of the list for nameless grammar points.

Also, it would be nice if entries disappeared from the list or got shuffled to the bottom or something after you've marked all of the sentences for them, to give an indication of which ones I've already tried to mark.

I'm experiencing the same thing - and at one point it gave me two possible grammar points, and I chose the one that I wasn't currently on (because it seemed to fit that one better), and then it started giving me sentences just for that grammar point. Maybe there's a bug where for some reason it tries to keep you on whichever grammar point you chose as an answer...?

EDIT: Yeah it definitely seems like, whichever grammar point you select as an answer, it starts treating it like you selected that grammar point to work on - which would explain why "I'm not sure"/"No good choice" cause it to act like there are no more sentences for it...

gillianfaith - can you give me an example of an expression where you see a lot of these coming up?

Edit: I misread it. Fixing now.

Fixed the fix? (laughs)

Only tinkered a little bit, eventually the features were available. Assuming I was too quick or not part of the beta proper. Thanks for fixing.

Some feedback:

1) Wasn't obvious to "choose" for grammar but the sentence meaning thing seemed to make sense to tinkered with those a bit. Realized this am that the grammar selector is a drop down (wasn't obvious when on the left)

Minor thing but should be obvious from this picture the drop down is "off screen???" hidden.... it does work just not obvious it's a drop down. Minor thing but depending on where this ends up on someone's dashboard someone else will be probably be puzzled.

2) Think I clicked the wrong button on an item by accident but poof it's gone (not sure if i did) but no way to go back and check? Or is there a way for us to look at what we already entered (in case of a goof) have a way to edit the selection?

3) When I didn't figure out the grammar tagger originally was playing with the sentence word marker and got it to up 20, got the 100 coins. Then started in on the grammar this morning a bit. It was counting up to 7 or 8 (when I realized I might have mis-clicked)..... so updated this post and went back and the counter is at 20 again. Thought odd but go back and click on the same grammar point and it takes me back to where I started (first presented sentence) like it didn't take any of the previous input. The married question was the first one.

Sorry have to get going again, traveling at the moment don't have time to tinker/troubleshoot more details now but this should be enough info ;)

This is new functionality and hasn’t been internationalized yet. Maybe in the future.

The validating mechanism is in place! We've already gotten marks on 1,700 sentences, but everyone is pretty spread out, so none yet that have enough marks on them to be validated. Only a matter of time, though, as everyone gets them in the same order, so the system is set to push everyone down the same path (for any given expression)

Also, the number of words I have tagged does not increase when I say "there are no good choices". Which is just a minor thing, and I kind of understand where it's coming from, but it's the right choice in some cases and should be counted in my opinion :)