掲示板 Forums - 「ようにに」 is the second 「に」ａtypo?

I don’t really know? I hope you find out.

ように already has the に particle you don't double up like that... it's not ようにに

Let me just type out the relevant part 母が欲しかったようににロシア語を習ったとしたら...

That’s 100% a mistake, there’s no grammar where ようにに would be correct.

@Icepick87 ように is an expression consisting of よう + a regular に particle. When you add another に particle, you get double particles. Plain and simple. つつ is irrelevant, I never said that double particles are always wrong, just in this case.

Anyway, as long as we agree that にに in the sentence OP provided is a mistake (typo or not), I'm happy :)

Edit: for clarity つつ isn't a double particle, I misspoke.

@Icepick87 Alright, I think I see where the confusion came from. When you said "Seems like ように (which is a word), with the particle に", I wasn't sure whether that "with the particle に" was referring to the に already in ように, or to the second に. Since ように is just 様 + the particle に, I assumed you might not have noticed the double に in ようにに.

You also said "Doesn't appear to be a typo," which made me think you were suggesting にに wasn't a mistake. Since I'd already pointed out it was a typo, it came off like a direct contradiction.

When I said "you don't double up like that", I was specifically referring to ようにに, not making a general claim about all possible double particles. So when you brought up つつ, it felt unrelated, like you were countering a point I hadn't made.

Of course, つつ is a different grammatical structure entirely, not two identical grammatical particles stacked together. In contrast, two に stuck together like in ようにに is almost always a mistake, like 99.9% of the time.

Excuse my rambling, these things are hard to discuss over text. No hard feeling :)

PS: @Marie-Nihongo Sorry for going into an in-depth grammar discussion. It's not really relevant to your question.

Could you share some examples? I'm genuinely curious. I can't really find anything that fits. By "this particular phrase" do you mean ようにに or just にに?

Here's some examples of に twice (or more), but none of them are two "grammatical particles" or even remotely relevant to our specific example:

ににさんこんばんは！ here it's a name.
ににぎの商品は name of a sweets shop.
ににん here it's just 二人 in hiragana.
にににん にんじん is the title of a book, play on the words "人" and "にんじん", unrelated to out discussion.
二弐に２（にににに）completely unrelated.
【#キミの隣ににじさんじ】アクリルパネル this is just one に particle 隣に + にじさんじ as a proper noun.

I'm strictly referring to に as a grammatical particle, a functional morpheme that marks things like location, direction, purpose, indirect object, etc. Not as:

a) A mora (拍) in phonetics
b) A part of a name or a stylised repetition
c) A syllable in a noun like にじさんじ or にんじん

If you really wanted to make the argument that the second に in ようにに isn't to be implicitly understood as the grammatical particle and thus it's wrong to say that it's two grammatical particle に stuck together, that's fair.

That doesn't make 欲しかったようににロシア語 any less wrong (allegedly).

I could only find この本質的な質問に対して，私はこちらのようにに回答しました, and that's probably a typo when adding/pasting the link.

好きなようににやれば？ is clearly just someone messing up the phrase 好きなようにやれば？

牛の糞にも段々がある is the base proverb. Someone most likely messed up. Even without the second に - 牛の糞にも段々がありますように is pretty awkward...

Anyway, what makes you think native speakers don't make typos/mistakes, even in scientific papers? I've worked on scientific papers (both English and my native language) and believe me, people make mistakes. 😁

For example, just because you see natives writing こんにちわ doesn’t make it correct. You can find plenty of examples.

Well, this is the part where the only way to really back my point any further is to ask multiple native speakers. I'm not that invested.

@Icepick87 I got an answer from a native. This is for all of your examples (including OP's):

"For me, 「ように」is natural and correct sentence and 「ようにに」 is kinda mistyped one on chat.

I never heard 「ようにに」in conversation.
Some sentences might be like 「ようにに」because of the mistyping, but we don’t use it intentionally."

If this doesn't do it for you, I don't know anymore...

Edit: I got a response from another native:

"It's definitely a typo. 100パーセント打ち間違いです。"

This is two native speakers fully agreeing with me. I can find you more if you'd like.