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Ember08
Level: 333

I'm working my way through a children's light novel, and in the first two pages I've seen した used 3 times. No kanji (though the book omits a fair bit of kanji so I guess it could have some), no noticeable grammar structure around it, just slapped in the middle of sentences (comes before a noun twice, and then the third time is before an unidentifiable hiragana wad of "らなかなか"). What exactly does this した mean?

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3 days ago
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More context would be nice, but I think it's most likely either した (past of する), or part of a larger grammar pattern like [something] したらなかなかkao_think.png

I guess it could be something else, but I can't tell without a longer example.

Edit: I mean したら as a conditional, e.g. したら, in case that wasn't clear. You can also just have [something omitted] したら.

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3 days ago
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Ember08
Level: 333

I probably shoulda added more context, whoops:

1. うっそうとしたをバタバタとけていく, ひとりと

2. そうなをした [character name]。

3. [Creature name]はりだしたらなかなかまらないモンスターだ。

I get what the first two sentences are saying (aside from that weird くin けていく) aside from the strange した, whereas the third I'm thoroughly baffled on altogether, but I thought the した issue would be a good thing to start with since it seems so common. Past of する was my original guess, I just didn't see how that really fit and also thought it had to be at a sentence or clause end.

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3 days ago
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1. うっそう とした = "dense forest", した = past of する (noun-modifying)
2. そうなをした = noun + をした, which is like をしている. をした = "boy with eyes that looked..."
3. り + だしたら, actually there's a whole entry for it 走りだしたら

PS: I'm very sleepy, so I do apologize if I mess something up. kao_sleep.png

Edit: Wait, what's wrong with けていく? Reference sense 10. of 行く
In case you don't understand とした in (1), I think it's sense 3. of とする. I'd never really thought about how to explain it. It's "a forest that is regarded/taken as dense" > "a dense forest" ("woods" might fit better for ). Also check out the usage note on うっそう.

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3 days ago
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Ember08
Level: 333

Ohhh, thank you!! Way more stuff makes sense now (I thought that one thing was just けている conjugated with a random く. Oops!) kao_shiawase.png

I can't find anything on renshuu about をした or をしている to see exactly what they are and how they work though, unless I'm just looking in totally the wrong places. Is there somewhere I can see exactly how that stuff comes together and works?

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3 days ago
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Ember08 (047, 3:19)
Ohhh, thank you!! Way more stuff makes sense now (I thought that one thing was just けている conjugated with a random く. Oops!) kao_shiawase.png

I can't find anything on renshuu about をした or をしている to see exactly what they are and how they work though, unless I'm just looking in totally the wrong places. Is there somewhere I can see exactly how that stuff comes together and works?

So, these aren't really separate grammar patterns — it's just an extended use of (を)する, like in:

少女は澄んだ声をしている = "The girl has a pure voice"

It's also very common with onomatopoeia:
サラサラ した = "smooth / silky hair"

I just remembered Kaname Naito had a video that might help you:

It's probably better than me fumbling around trying to explain it :D

Edit: Skip to 6 min if you don't want to watch the whole thing. I do recommend it though, it's a good video about onomatopoeia :)

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3 days ago
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Ember08
Level: 333

Ohhh my goodness thank you, it feels like I just got 10x smarter from watching that video!!

I swear I'll stop bugging you really soon, just one extra curiosity, what determines whether there's anything extra before した (like it being とする instead of just する, or having を beforehand)? Thanks again for being so helpful!

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2 days ago
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That's a very broad question... I'll try to explain a few things, but I'm pretty sure there's plenty of exceptions and oddities. You're basically asking how to use する :D


🔷 Noun + をする ("have / possess")
を marks the object (voice, eyes, etc.)
Casual speech often drops を — いいしてる, きれいなしてる. This doesn't always work though. If it's something inherently "poetic", you can't really make it casual. It would just end up sounding unnatural. You can't really mix in a casual end to a literary sentence either.

Anyway, these two examples mean exactly the same thing. At least I don't feel a difference (in meaning). The "vibe" is very different though.

いいをしている

いいしてる


そうなをした

そうなした

そうなしてる △ (kinda)


🔷 Onomatopoeia / adjective + する
No を, because the descriptor isn't a real object.
と is sometimes used (うっそうとした) to link the descriptor into a descriptive state. I couldn't tell you when you can/can't use it though. I think it's mostly just patterns you pick up from usage.

I'm pretty sure you can't do this うっそうした. Can't explain why though. kao_don.png と might be needed when the descriptor is more conceptual/abstract. Not sure. https://hinative.com/questions...


する / した can be pretty similar, note that した isn't really acting as "past tense" here.

By the way, don't confuse this with しようとする


PS: I'm not very confident teaching this. I usually have a feel for what's natural, but actually explaining the rules behind it is quite difficult.

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2 days ago
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